It Has To Be Said, And Said Again

Here is an unusual post for this site.

I wondered why I felt the need to copy and save this conversation which I had on a public blog a few days ago – something I almost never do. It conveys quite well the spirit of the age, and its growing infection within the body of Christ.

As nations are awakening of late to the clutches of global power that have consolidated their respective seats of authority, the spirit of deception has seduced the more observant eyes within the church into a new consolidation of political and cultural entanglement. Whether or not these nations succeed in their seperation to any degree, we shall see; but the people of God have another city to be concerned with, and they are abandoning it to change the world rather than saving men out of it.

The entire thread in which I responded to this blogger was later deleted without notice or explanation – which is entirely his right to do; but I will post the exchange here as I find it quite illustrative of the deception by which we find ourselves surrounded. I post this neither for spite nor to feel as though I have won an argument, and not in the least for the sake of controversy (I have no ill will toward the man); but I post it so that those who encounter this common deception elsewhere might not be ignorant.

Tony (whose blog this is from) has seen many good and true things over the years, and has been bold to share them publicly even when they are truths not pleasant to the ear. It is because of that reputation that I would be remiss not to hold the line on this matter.

Take note that my first comment is not an objection, but is a biblical framing of what Tony saw. But it appears that what I said was precise enough to draw out something nefarious in his understanding, and the rest is self-explanatory.

[Originally from tpuccio(dot)wordpress(dot)com]

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“Brexit Must NOT Be Allowed To Fail”
By Tony

This is what I read today in the news concerning Brexit. “Theresa May’s withdrawal agreement was voted down 432-202, the largest defeat for a prime minister in thehistory of the House of Commons” As I was reading this I saw a vision of grappling hooks being shot over from Europe to England to pull the country back into the E.U. . Britain must be totally free from the E.U, or, I feel, that it will share in the judgement that is coming to Europe. Additionally I saw in this vision Theresa May standing at her podium looking out. As I saw her looking out I saw a very large snake slithering up and down the rows of the House of Commons. I feel in my spirit that this snake is fear and deception and I do believe that this has to do with the rise of the antichrist and an independent England would greatly hinder his plans. So I would say to the people of Great Britain, fast and pray. There is more at stake than you realize. Pray, Pray, Pray!!!! It is imperative that you pray!

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Me:
The church is God’s unity.
Babel is man’s unity.
Genesis 11
Deuteronomy 32:8-9
God divided the nations purposefully.
His only intended place for an integrated unity of the nations is within His kingdom – this is why all other such unions inevitably fail, and the last and greatest of them shall also be crushed at His coming.

Tony:
Not so in this case . The Word also says come out from among them and be separate. England is/was called by God to separate from the European Union

Me:
Of course they were, as were all nations instructed not to build Babel. That is precisely my point.
But here is the distinction I am making:
Deut 32:8-9
All nations are called to seperate from one another (“When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when He divided mankind, He fixed the borders of the peoples…”), but it is the church’s calling to seperate from the nations, in the midst of the nations, unto God (“But the LORD’s portion is His people, Jacob His allotted heritage.”)

Tony:
Again, not the case here

Me:
Let scripture be the judge of that.

Tony:
Again God has spoken through many prophets concerning Brexit. Read what the Lord showed them

Me:
I may be no cessationist, but regarding all things in which God has not yet ceased, I yet remain a scripturalist. I have read and heard many such utterances; and where scripture (such as that which I have already provided) finds no warrant in them, I need not heed their every assertion.

Tony:
The Pharisees and Saducees were scriptualists. They missed Jesus and the giving of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost

Me:
They were also sacralists – a rather relevant subject to this coversation, I deem.

Tony:
They missed Jesus, The Word speaking to them did they not?

Me:
Of course. And as He pointed out multiple times, they were the ones in contradiction with scripture regarding Him – particularly because they thought that His kingdom ought to be of this present world.
And that is where I find your own words to be leading you.

Tony:
No my words are what God has shown me regarding Brexit. There are others whom the Lord has shown the same. The Word says to test all things and to hold fast to that which is true. It sounds like you have a problem believing in the prophetic.

Me:
Not in the least, Tony. I simply have a problem when the prophetic contradicts scripture, as did the prophets. For it was not the Pharisees who said, “To the Law and the testimony!”

Tony:
Then I would suggest that you follow what I wrote. Test all things hold fast to that which is good. If scripture is being contradicted, or rather your understanding of scripture, then what those in the prophetic are saying will not come to pass. On the other hand if there is alignment then it will come to pass

Me:
Coming to pass is not the test of true or false prophecy. That is the very power of the strong delusion.

Tony:
Deu 13:1 — Deu 13:4 (NKJV Strong’s)
Punishment of Apostates
“If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him.

Me:
“And the sign or wonder comes to pass…” – Exactly my point: things may come to pass which lead men to follow after the prophets and their own gods. And who are their gods? Those principalities which the god of this age has used to infatuate the prophets with earthly glories.
For the sake of earthly glories they even prophesy of the true prophets, saying, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation.”

Tony:
No you miss the point entirely. If you’d been reading the many prophecies concerning Brexit from godly men and women who seek the Lord and would not dare to speak a false word you would not have come to that conclusion. Your understanding of the prophetic is deeply flawed.

Me:
My understanding of the prophetic is deeply flawed, because my standard is something higher than the mere sincerity of these men of whom you speak?
I rest my case.

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My final response was never approved, and the entire thread has been deleted.

Interestingly, I was already writing a long article that touches upon these very things. This encounter has only sharpened that sword. It will be posted in the very near future.

“Earnestly contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.”

– Brendan

True & False Prophets

The word of the LORD came to me: “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel, who are prophesying, and say to those who prophesy from their own hearts: ‘Hear the word of the LORD!’ Thus says the Lord God, Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!”
Ezekiel 13:1-3

God calls false the “prophet” who sees his own visions, feels his own feelings, and speaks his own thoughts. For a true prophet is the one who sees what God sees, feels what God feels, and speaks what God thinks.

The gulf of difference between these two is irreconcilable; and the standard by which the matter is measured is the holy scriptures – through which the word of the prophets is made known, and by which the prophets themselves are forged, for therein has the Spirit Of Prophecy expounded Himself. And the testimony of Jesus IS the Spirit of prophecy.

His prophets today, therefore, are those both in whom and through whom the very Christ of those scriptures’ testimony is found seeing, feeling, and speaking after God Himself.

In these men the Word of the Lord is not trapped on the pages of its binding, nor confined within the interpretation of mere men, nor restrained even by the words of great men of history; but it is become a living fire in their bones to strike down and eviscerate the imperfect chatter of every foul spirit which continues to oppose it in their own day.

The spiritual authority that a man carries directly corresponds in measure to his current conformity to the revealed will of God – and that will is moving through time, the Spirit of Christ as a wind blowing each obedient man His way; but are we ourselves remaing in symphony with Him? For though we may stand upon the shoulders of giants, we must yet remain mindful that those who proclaim the word of the Lord in every age shall be judged alone according to the testimony of the Word Himself, Who is living and active.

And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
2 Peter 1:19-21

By this standard our words are measured.

Thought – Truth & Love

“I AM… the truth…”

“…God is love…”

Truth by its very nature warrants no apology, and true love is therefore never a bedfellow of compromise; for true divine love has in it the love of truth, as it is the very love of He who is the Truth at work in our hearts.

Only the one enlightened of God’s will truly knows His Love; and only the one truly loving God’s Person will rightly know His Truth. Only the uncompromising lover of God’s Truth can be truly uncompromising in the expressing His Love; and in that expression is discovered greater depths of His Truth.

For these both are Christ, and are of the Spirit of Christ; and He is not divided.

Jezebel: The Spirit Of Witchcraft

Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Revelation 2:20

Jezebel is an exact embodiment of witchcraft itself. Witchcraft is not merely demonism or the practice of sorcery, though these are often among its methods – but witchcraft is at its heart the supplanting or circumventing of true spiritual authority. Any person or organization which supplants or circumvents the authority of Christ alone over His church, including any one individual soul, is practicing witchcraft. The one who falsely accuses brethren for gain, or gossips rather than interceding, or thinks to take spoil under the guise of “building up the kingdom,” or asserts herself over men of God and weakens them, is walking in the spirit of witchcraft.

Saul was walking in such a spirit of witchcraft when he stretched out His hand to enrich his kingdom by the enemy’s spoils, although he had been commanded not to spare even the herds of the Amalekites. And in his rebuke, the prophet Samuel remarked…

For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
1 Samuel 15:23

And this same Saul continued asserting himself as king, though the throne was no longer his right; and he eventually consulted a medium to help himself maintain control – for which act he was again rebuked by Samuel and soon after died.

There is a vicious spirit of witchcraft holding itself up against the people of God in this hour. It is cunning, often sly of speech, and invisible to the compromised. Yet hardly a word is spoken, let alone prayed, against its onslaught. Few are they in whom the commandment of God burns with His righteous indignation…

Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Exodus 22:18

Vengeance is indeed the Lord’s, and the sons of heaven have not been equipped with an earthly weaponry; but those who never wield the Sword of the Spirit unashamedly will never see it fall upon His enemies who so trouble them.

All witchcraft, be it directly demonic in nature, or be it the sheer manipulation of others, is a work of the sinful flesh whose practitioners shall not inherit the kingdom of God (Gal 5:20).

We are not commanded to have mercy upon such a spirit, nor to tolerate it. If a person will not be emptied of the Devil’s works, let the fellowship of the saints be emptied of them. Jezebel will never go quite far enough to be exposed before all: therefore she will always have defenders wherever she is tolerated; and by this she deliberately wears out the saints who discern her presence. Not until she is suffered no more can she become exposed for what she is. Therefore our Lord warns her enablers…

And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Revelation 2:21-23

A man is no friend of God where he tolerates the Devil.

The Living Word

For the word of God is quick, and powerfully working…
Hebrews 4:12 (KJV)

The true Word of the Lord is not the broad and bloated instrument that men have made it. For scarcely has the flaming sword left His mouth, and the thing He has decreed will be done. But the “word” going forth from the pulpits of our day is an indecisive word: it is a dull word for a dull ear. It is a word made by the people for the people – and knowhere is God Himself to be found in the process: He who is the True Word. The word of men cannot divide and discern the hearts like a freshly sharpened sword, nor can it winnow the wheat from the chaff. It quickens no man for the imminent Day of the Lord.

Those who wish to hear and speak only the familiar tidings of a paradigm long bereft of spiritual authority cannot stand against the great deception of this evil day. For there arises a darkness like never before seen, and the supposed men of God for this hour hold not a spark to its mountainous tide. They even supress any light lest they themselves should become exposed; but they will not long get away with it. They are candles without wicks, lamps without oil. If they will not burn today, they may drown in this flood and be burned tomorrow.

The prayer without discernment and the word without a divine decree has had its day – it has been weighed and measured, and it has been found grossly wanting. Let those who seek to obey the Lord no longer be desirous of such tepid trifles. The ear that fills itself merely with fond and comfortable sayings becomes dull of hearing; and only the word born of a holy fire can melt its wax.

Where the “quick and powerfully working” word of the Lord cannot go forth, His servants mourn.

O Lord, let your word for this hour be found inscribed on our hearts, traced by our steps, proclaimed by our lips. Let us not cease to hear Your voice – even where Your silence prevails – lest we sleep the sleep of death!